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Heck yea!

If you're talking about what makes something dead, I guess it depends on the person. To me, when the community is so small theres only a single server left running or the game just isnt a good experience anymore, its dead.

Not sure I'd call TF2 a mod, allthough the original Team Fortress was indeed a mod, TF2 is a Valve release that they spent 10 years working on.

thanks zeke :3

Awesome!

thanks chief!

Yesss definitely hidden source was awesome, though it was covered in a bunch of other content creators videos so thats why I didn't include it :3

Its called "Ultrawave by Oceandrive (no copyright music). I'll put it in the description of the video :-)

Oh and there is half life 2 capture the flag

Hm, yeah maybe a continued video would be cool :3? definitely on my list!

All very good mentions! I kinda missed Hidden Source on purpose as its been convered by a few of the content creators that inspired me to make this but definitely all good games! The opression was mentioned by a few others too it looks super intersting!

It really really was, it legit had unlimited gameplay. Same can be said for Gmod for myself at least, rocking around 1k hours on that.

AHAHAHAH finally someone got it. Had to recreate the meme from back in the day.

That would be an interesting way to keep a game alive! Unfortunately Valve is too preoccupied making bucket loads of money off Steam to care about the source engine. In reality, Valve at some point transitioned from being a game development company to being a digital infrastructure company with games as a side gig.

Thanks very much! I should have gone a bit deeper and talked about Alien Swarm Reactive drop on top of the normal game, thats for sure. Either way it's a very forgotten part of Valve's game library and one that deserves more attention. I wish I could do a full video only on Alien Swarm, but code analysis was never my strong side even though I am a Software Engineer. Would be interesting to try though..

I mean.. yes? The source engine coming out in the early 2000's runs on hardware as such. But some never source stuff is definitely more demanding such as L4D2 and source mods from later years.

Hidden Source got quite a bit of attention in other RUclipsr's videos so I decided to not include it unfortunately. But yes, it's definitely worthy of a mention1

I did play it a bit, it was featured in the intro of the video but sadly didnt find any other players :/

Huh. Yeah I had too look it up, legit never heard about it and I never played it back in the day. It seems like such a good mod, I wonder why it isn't remembered. Did it have a large player base back in the day? I'm assuming you played it given how you remember it.

​@@Engeri I would say the playerbase was no bigger then any standard multiplayer mod. Always a server open with players but not to the extent Zombie Panic got to. Lots of maps for it though, hard to get working these days due to no steampipe compat too (theres a tool on github that lets non steampipe mods work, dunno the name but have witnessed it in action)

Absolutely! It has some goofy gameplay thats for sure. Synergy is more for a straight HL2 experience, at least to me.

Nooo...what gave me away? My profile picture, the t-shirt i'm wearing at the start or the art in the background hahah?

Thanks chief.

Yeah I just saw your other comment! Thanks so much for the insight, I wasn't aware.

@@beegdonkey5750 dude, thats such a nice comment you have no idea how much it means. Thanks very much!

@@Engeri no problem man, it’s been a rough couple of months and especially days for me so these types of videos keep me going.

Glad I could help a bit, and hope things get better chief.

Absolutely, though it seems to be doing pretty well compared to some of these other mods! It's got a 24 hour peak of 1000 players even!

Same for me. I still have friends on Steam that haven't been online for like 15 years. I wonder what ended up happening to them.. I guess thats the curse and joy with online friends. You know them so well and spend so much time with them, but if they vanish, theres not much you can do.

Wow yeah I had to look it up, it's even a 2022 release wth? Maybe it ended up falling a bit flat due to how the source engine is doing to begin with?

Huh, yeah I didn't actually know that. In my mind HL2 came first, then CS:S. Could be because I played HL2 first way back then. Either way they got released like a few weeks apart and I feel like the throne of the Source Engine still belongs to HL2 even though it technically was CSS, because CSS doesn't really show off a lot of what the source engine can do. HL2 however really does.

@@Engeri obviously. but you can't really say "i will overlook this fact because in my mind..... " so yea, just thought i'd let you know. even then, technically the first ever source game released was a mod for the leaked version of HL2 in 2003

I'm not overlooking it, I'm dismissing it entirely based on the fact that Half Life 2 was the game that made the source engine into what it is (or was). CS:S did nothing of the sort. In fact, in the eyes of many in the CS community CS:S is not held in high regard. I personally enjoyed it lots, but I wasn't exactly in the CS community either. Yes, it is a FACT that CS:S was released two weeks prior to HL2. But it is also a fact that HL2 is the game that pushed the source engine and its content to the popularity that it got. I think we're arguing different things here, I'm not disputing the fact you're pointing out. I'm simply telling the story of what made the source engine big to begin with, and whatever game came two weeks before the other is entirely irrelevant to the point im making in the video :p But you're not wrong, and I appreciate you letting me know.

Same, though its unlikely. Theres already a generation of kids growing up that hasn't even heard of it, which is sad in some ways.

Dark Messiah as in Dark Messiah of Might and Magic? I see it on steam, but does it have multiplayer? Its also a paid game like you mentioned. Looks good though, and the reviews are extremely positive!

@@Engeri yes that one. It has a multiplayer. It's dead tho. But still source engine 😅

I heard it had an active community, but I didn't know it got THAT many players 0_o

Garry's mod feels so goofy compared to Synergy but definitely yes it's doable in Gmod. I'd pick Synergy over Garrysmod to play a Half Life game though. Obsidian Conflict offers a lot more than just Sven Co-op, its custom maps, and gameplay that isn't generic to Valve and Half Life. There's like I show cased in the video so many cool unique experiences in that. ZM was truly great, along with Zombie Panic or even Contagion, all of which are more or less dead by this point. Edit: Either way, once a game reaches the point to where it has maybe one server with players, I think it can be argued that its dead or on critical life support.

I was able to launch it, but didn't find any servers! I didn't feature it in the video because I didn't know enough about it but my video was getting a little too long xD

Yeah for sure, I only realized that it got remade a while into the video, but the new game doesn't really get that many players either, but a lot more than the OG game.

Well said man. Well said.

Zombie Panic: Source is still alive and kicking! It doesn't have that massively active playerbase as it used to but it still has at least three servers that are full of people playing church, lake and objective maps. It also still gets content and engine updates from the team, so there's absolutely nothing stopping you to go back to it and enjoy it like the good old times. As for Obsidian Conflict I wouldn't say that it's dead and more like on hiatus as I have an insider on their dev discord and I know they're taking their time to prep for steam release and massive 1.5 update spanning a ton of map, gameplay fixes and new custom content. So I'd still cling to hope for OC as there's a big chance it will make a great comeback.

ZPS has players, but I wouldn't call it alive either. It's right before it dips beneath what can be called an acceptable player count. When I was playing it as an intro for this game, there was only a single server with some players on, and they were playing a third party map similar to that found in CS:S's toony style. But yeah, it's not entirely dead which is why it only got an honorable mention. Once something reaches a player count where there is only a single server on lifesupport, I'd be willing to call it dead. As for Obsidian Conflict, I'd call it completely dead. I'll be the first to say that a content release now, so many years after the game dropped out of relevancy is going to do a whole lot of nothing. The players that still remember it, and have time to play might pop on for a week or two, before the game once again slips into obscurity. The best we can hope for OC is that it is able to draw in some new players once its on Steam, but with how poorly other source mods have been doing lately, I kinda doubt that it will be possible unfortunately. Either way you've got good points and I don't disagree with you at all!

@@Engeri For me a multiplayer Source mod isn't considered dead as long as there's a large enough number of players to be able to enjoy all of the gameplay features of the mod. That number could be merely 16 or even just 6 players, but 6 players is still enough to have full-fledged round of ZPS. It could be just me clinging with all my strength to all of my powerful memories of ZPS back in 2010 and not being able to let go, but as long as the mod is still up and running with at least one server then I will always be that one of the 6 players still playing. Same goes for OC. Back in the day I only had Orange Box and Modern Warfare 2 as my only games on Steam so HL2 mods were my main source of entertainment and meeting new people. I know that I have at least a couple of friends whom I still have contact with and if I told them that OC got a new update they'd all go "OH SHIT LETS GOOO". Even if it were to last just for one day I know that a lot of people would give anything just to relive that late 2000's multiplayer Source experience. Very very sad for Zombie Master though. That game is indeed dead and it was also one of my go to mods of that time. You just can't forget the memes and references from zm_random and those various deathrun maps.

Thats a fair argument! My response would simply be that I wasn't able to enjoy ZPS anymore :( because the one server that had players this week was playing a single map on repeat (some toony colorful map, cant remember the name) so its dead in my eyes, nor is 6 players enough to be able to have a good experience for me. OC didn't have a single player on any servers last week and its not fun alone ;_ ; if I need to recruit people into a game to play it... it's a gone for me. But I'm super glad that you are still able to play and experience these games still, thats awesome :D

Hahah yeah, for a sec I was like "wait, what menu music" I had to find a video that showcased it because I have forgotten what it sounds like but aye, its truly a good themesong.

Thats a good one, I did actually play it for this video but I found no matches, and I didn't know enough about it to include it in the video but I did enjoy the gameplay of it!

​@@Engeri there's a group of people who play every Friday, so the game isn't completely dead yet

@@onlyslightlybent I've talked with some others regarding that, in my eyes, once you have to start recruiting people in, or games only happen at a certain point in the week.. its pretty much a dead game.

@@Engeri :(

@@onlyslightlybent Lets not be sad that they are gone, lets be happy that we got to experience these awesome mods while they were in their height. Many are not that lucky. And we're lucky enough to see the rise of other cool games that I personally love like VRChat

Hmm. I'll be honest and say I don't see how that could be. The models, textures and lighting in Far Cry 1 looks awful. Especially in thein door areas. Besides, if Far Cry 1 was 'a decade ahead' I find it odd that it didn't set the standard for.. anything. Half Life, with its physics became the new standard for games in the decades after its release and remains so to this day.

Thanks so much, really appreciate the kind words :3! Huh, wow Iron Grip: The Oppression seems like a super interesting concept, I had a look at some older videos and the FPS/RTS feature seems super interesting and different. I wonder why it never took off?

@@Engeri I was there as a 12 year old way back in 2007 when it took off, it was even dead on arrival except for Fridays and weekends, it was such a novel concept with really neat art and design, plus an actually awesome soundtrack It's a genuine mystery to me, despite people's attempts to revive it and keep it moving it was just dead-dead The company that made it, Isotx, has died as well after making some original spinoff games Someone clearly cared a lot about the mod, so to see so much potential just not be tapped is so tragic

@@VaqueroCoyote awww thats a really sad story, omg. it was a whole development studio? Thats actually tragic..

Oh, you actually get the money back once you sell enough of a game on Steam? Interesting way to do things but it makes sense so that games aren't just spammed on the Steam Store. I kinda figured Valve just wanted a chunk of money for using Source Engine, if there are commercial licenses involved then the $25k price is more understandable I guess, but I doubt any business would pay $25k to use an 'antique' engine at this point. I do wonder what will become of Source 2 though, because it really isn't that widely adopted outside of a few games. In fact, I think FacePunch's Studios new game "sandbox" will be one of the first third party games on Source 2.

@@Engeri Now, source Engine is quite outdated, but I recall Valve has ways to go around it For instance, if my memory is good, you can pay half of it up front and pay the other half through the revenue generated by your game. While 25k is still a lot, it might be significantly less than what someone might be required to pay through Royalties to companies like Unity or Unreal. I'd love to know more about Source 2. I'm not sure why they haven't released the entire SDK yet. I remember them talking about making it available for free back around the time HL:A was released But uhhh... Valve Time I guess.

Yeah same here, I wonder if Source 2 will ever have mods and stuff made for it, or even see broader adoption as an actual game engine to run third party games. Doesn't really seem like it at this point. I guess it's just not ready and Valve isn't happy with how far the SDK has come. Also nice pfp!

@@Engeri Yeah! I've tinkered with it a bit years ago and I remember it had some really solid features,. Stuff we take for granted nowadays, but at the time it was nice. Like "procedural" railing and pipes which simply follows a simple mesh instead of having an entire set of pipe models to copy & paste around They also have some cool animation system for NPCs when they run around, making their steps feel more natural, etc... I really want to see it public for people to explore more.

Oh shit, really? That's a super interesting detail. I wonder how Valve ended up owning the IP then? I guess maybe they hired some of the mod devs?

@@Engeri They hired the original devs iirc

Aha, figured it was something like that :D

no way.